Wrong for writing melodrama and romance, I agree. Female protagonists...meh, I actually like Daphne and Velma in this show whenever they're NOT being saddled with "female" issues, if that makes any sense.
The problem is that 99% of the girls' character developments center around the boys and their romantic relationships. Aside from Velma's interesting relationship with Marcy (which was promptly given the shaft when her "friends" returned and told Velma she had to dump the girl because there was no room in the van), I can't even think of ANY Daphne or Velma moments that weren't centered around "female issues". Heck, the only reason Daphne returned to the gang at all was because her new boy toy turned out to be slightly crazier than Fred (she was happy to leave town to be with her new beau up until then). Seriously, can you even tell me any significant Daphne or Velma character moments (besides the ones with Marcy) that didn't center around Shaggy or Fred somehow? Because I'm drawing a blank!
No, I haven't seen that movie. (Not a super huge Scooby fan like you, remember?)
LOL. Point taken. ^_^; Believe it or not, the made-for-TV live action movie is WAY better than the old theatrical ones (though CGI Scooby still looks like ass). The actors are good (even though Fred and Velma don't resemble their animated counterparts all that much) and the story does a great job balancing romance and plot. And that movie is likely the only canon Shaggy/Velma fans will get that isn't tinged with dysfunction. :(
Are you meaning to say that friends who date each other, then break up and stay friends, cannot ever poke fun at each other at all? Even if they might have otherwise when they were just friends in the past, pre dating phase?
I think the problem is that, unlike Fred and Daphne, Shaggy and Velma were a (dysfunctional) couple from episode one. We as viewers have no clue how they interacted as platonic friends before they hooked up (heck, we don't even know HOW they came to up!).
Maybe they were close before they started dating (or maybe they barely spoke before Velma suddenly got the hots for him). And maybe they liked to rip on each other as a way of showing affection (he called her "chubby", she called him a "dirty hippie", etc). Maybe you're right and Shaggy was just reverting to how he related to her before they started dating and things got awkward between them.
Problem is, that's just speculation because the show itself has only shown those two interacting as a dysfunctional romantic couple, bitter/angry ex-lovers, and then as pair of kids awkwardly trying to salvage a platonic relationship for the sake of their mutual friends. That's the ONLY way we have seen them interact with one another. So we as an audience can only judge them in that context.
And the fact that Shaggy has been intentionally cruel to her before (i.e. hiding their relationship and openly pursuing Velma's friend Mai Lee even after she politely asked him not to) doesn't make me inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. :P
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Date: 2012-09-01 06:12 pm (UTC)The problem is that 99% of the girls' character developments center around the boys and their romantic relationships. Aside from Velma's interesting relationship with Marcy (which was promptly given the shaft when her "friends" returned and told Velma she had to dump the girl because there was no room in the van), I can't even think of ANY Daphne or Velma moments that weren't centered around "female issues". Heck, the only reason Daphne returned to the gang at all was because her new boy toy turned out to be slightly crazier than Fred (she was happy to leave town to be with her new beau up until then).
Seriously, can you even tell me any significant Daphne or Velma character moments (besides the ones with Marcy) that didn't center around Shaggy or Fred somehow? Because I'm drawing a blank!
No, I haven't seen that movie. (Not a super huge Scooby fan like you, remember?)
LOL. Point taken. ^_^;
Believe it or not, the made-for-TV live action movie is WAY better than the old theatrical ones (though CGI Scooby still looks like ass). The actors are good (even though Fred and Velma don't resemble their animated counterparts all that much) and the story does a great job balancing romance and plot.
And that movie is likely the only canon Shaggy/Velma fans will get that isn't tinged with dysfunction. :(
Are you meaning to say that friends who date each other, then break up and stay friends, cannot ever poke fun at each other at all? Even if they might have otherwise when they were just friends in the past, pre dating phase?
I think the problem is that, unlike Fred and Daphne, Shaggy and Velma were a (dysfunctional) couple from episode one. We as viewers have no clue how they interacted as platonic friends before they hooked up (heck, we don't even know HOW they came to up!).
Maybe they were close before they started dating (or maybe they barely spoke before Velma suddenly got the hots for him). And maybe they liked to rip on each other as a way of showing affection (he called her "chubby", she called him a "dirty hippie", etc). Maybe you're right and Shaggy was just reverting to how he related to her before they started dating and things got awkward between them.
Problem is, that's just speculation because the show itself has only shown those two interacting as a dysfunctional romantic couple, bitter/angry ex-lovers, and then as pair of kids awkwardly trying to salvage a platonic relationship for the sake of their mutual friends. That's the ONLY way we have seen them interact with one another. So we as an audience can only judge them in that context.
And the fact that Shaggy has been intentionally cruel to her before (i.e. hiding their relationship and openly pursuing Velma's friend Mai Lee even after she politely asked him not to) doesn't make me inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. :P